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Hosting question

davo — Mon, 08 Sep 2014 09:39:25 GMT

Just wondered If this is possible...

My brother has a domain and hosting with BT.

Is it possible to put my site on his host and then point a new domain towards it.

Well I know I can put my site In a folder of its own on his host and access it fine but is there a way to have a domain name pointed to it without affecting the root site.

Basically having two sites on one hosting package so I don't have to pay for lots of hosting space that I don't need as my site will also be a trial interest.

I got my site on virginmedia freespace(being my isp) at the moment for testing purposes.

Thanks,

Davo

Re: Hosting question

markp — Mon, 08 Sep 2014 12:21:45 GMT

Hi davo,

what you are looking to do is a websplit and this is possible with BT hosting, if you go to www.dnsforms.co.uk, you will see an option to request a websplit, if you are unsure or have more hosting questions there is an option on this site for DNS/hosting general enquiries.

Mark

Re: Hosting question

davo — Mon, 08 Sep 2014 15:17:25 GMT

Hi Mark,

Thanks for your reply.

Can you give any more information?

I'm thinking.. I purchase the domain name I want off BT then ask for it to be pointed at a designated folder on my brothers host (websplit) I've taken a look at the websplit request form and this seems to be the case.

Do you know any charges for this to be done? one-off or repeated, charges like the static IP charge.

Can I buy the domain name without hosting? The one i want shows free for 2 years with the starter host package.

I'm just trying to see whats involved and cost before going any further.

Thanks, Dave

Re: Hosting question

markp — Mon, 08 Sep 2014 15:35:31 GMT

Hi Davo,

there is no charge for a websplit as your brother is already paying for the hosting/webspace but you would need to buy the domain name first.

If you buy a hosting pack at £5 a month you do get a free .co.uk/org.uk, but if you purchase the hosting pack you would not need to use the webspliit as you would have your own space for your website.

You do not need to but hosting, when purchasing a domain name, you can just buy the domain.

Mark

Re: Hosting question

davo — Mon, 08 Sep 2014 15:48:55 GMT

Hi Mark,

ok thats sounds like what I'm after thanks.

Buying the domain now

Thanks,

Dave

Re: Hosting question

davo — Wed, 10 Sep 2014 11:21:24 GMT

Just another query...

How many websplit's can be on one hosting package? can we buy more domain names and still point them to folders on the host?

Also, I've purchased my domain name as a new user of my own would this be a problem and should I have used my brothers account for it to work with websplit?

Thanks,

Davo

Re: Hosting question

markp — Wed, 10 Sep 2014 12:15:24 GMT

Hi Davo,

There is no limit to how many websplits you have, but depending on what hosting package your brother has he may run out of webspace.

It does not matter that the domain and the hosting are on separate accounts, as long as you can pass authentication/security on both accounts.

Mark

Re: Hosting question

davo — Wed, 10 Sep 2014 12:41:53 GMT

Thanks Mark thats cleared a few things up for me.

I was just not wanting his main site going down for any reason (as It is an active company) just because of myself using the websplit feature.

At the moment he has a .co.uk name, I assume If he buys an extra .com, .uk etc. or whatever new domain he can point it to his root folder without using frames or url forwarding or would the root folder need duplicating as a web split?

thanks,

sorry if i'm just confusing myself now,

Davo

Re: Hosting question

markp — Wed, 10 Sep 2014 12:47:21 GMT

Hi Davo,

If your brother does get a new domain and wants it to point to the same website as his current one, it will not be affected as we would setup a DNS A record repoint.

Mark

Re: Hosting question

davo — Fri, 12 Sep 2014 09:49:39 GMT

Hi again,

so I've filled in the websplit form and waited a couple of days and now I've received email saying:

"We have setup URL forwarding however if you would like this to be updated to FRAME forwarding please reply confirming so."

So that did not work ? Thats exactly what I dont want I've now got my domain name pointing to to my brothers domain with a folder on the end?

Also just received post from BT a bill for £1.80 Vat on the Domain purchase shame it's not added at the time I paid for it.

Dave

Re: Hosting question

markp — Fri, 12 Sep 2014 12:09:53 GMT

Hi Davo,

That is how a websplit works for URL forwarding, if you do not want your brothers domain/folder showing you would need to get it changed to frame forwarding.

Mark

Re: Hosting question

davo — Fri, 12 Sep 2014 12:24:21 GMT

Hi Mark

wouldn't links show the wrong url or bookmarks etc be wrong?

This is why i asked if it was possible, I've used forwarding and frames in the past but it still refers to the root folder.

Dave

Re: Hosting question

markp — Fri, 12 Sep 2014 12:41:38 GMT

Hi Davo,

With URL forwarding it will show the router folder, so your brother domain/folder, with Frame forwarding it will only show your domain.

But with frame forwarding if someone clicks sat "contact us" on your site and bookmarks it, it wont bookmark the contact us page just the home page because the address in the tool bar does not change to show what page you are on.

Mark

Re: Hosting question

davo — Fri, 12 Sep 2014 12:55:21 GMT

Hi Mark

Ok thats no good, so it's not possible then.

I know about forwarding and frames I can change that in the domain manager anyway but wanted to know If a domain name can be set to a new root folder on a host.

Dave

Re: Hosting question

markp — Fri, 12 Sep 2014 13:02:17 GMT

Hi Davo,

there is only 1 root folder for each hosting pack, by the sound of what you are looking to do, you need to have your own hosting pack.

Mark

Re: Hosting question

davo — Fri, 12 Sep 2014 13:48:58 GMT

Hi Mark,

yep thats what I thought to start with. I should know better really

I'm amused that I waited 2 days for someone to put in a forward url in domain manager to a subfolder I'd already created and was using.

Frames wouldn't work with my php scripts and cookies so I cannot use that method.

Websplit just sounds more Interesting than subfolder

thanks,

Dave

Re: Hosting question

davo — Fri, 12 Sep 2014 18:36:41 GMT

Hi Mark,

well I tried to change from url to frame in settings area and I get Zone Overwrite failed

and going to Advanced Domain Manager nothing is there all type entries say "none"

It all seems very buggy

Davo

Re: Hosting question

davo — Sat, 13 Sep 2014 20:25:05 GMT

Ok the answer I was looking for is already on here

https://business.forums.bt.com/t5/Website-hosting-domains/Second-web-site/td-p/25181

wish I'd seen this post before going any further:

Web splitting is no longer available and hasn't been since around 2007 when BT moved to the current hosting platform. Not sure why there is still a form for web splitting, but it is definately not an option any more.

now I need it all fixing and to take out hosting