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    <title>topic Stability Issues with Cisco 877 on ADSL 2+ in Archive</title>
    <link>https://business.forums.bt.com/t5/Archive/Stability-Issues-with-Cisco-877-on-ADSL-2/m-p/45046#M6897</link>
    <description>&lt;P&gt;I have a Cisco 877 Router on one of my BT ADSL 2+ business connections which is also used for VPN connectivity to our main office. This router was completely stable on the connection until a month or so ago. Now from cold boot after several days the connection becomes unusable, slowing to a crawl and dropping packets all over the place whilst getting alot of CRC errors, until it is restarted.&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P&gt;Initially I got BT to do some line tests which checked out OK. Since then I have plugged into the master socket, replaced the filter, cable, and router itself for a brand new one via Cisco TAC but am still experiencing the problem.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;A href="http://www.cisco-bt-portal.com/iusr/DSL/Product_Bulletin_DSL.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;http://www.cisco-bt-portal.com/iusr/DSL/Product_Bulletin_DSL.pdf&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P&gt;States that for my model of router I should check the following:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Latest recommended STM Firmware&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT"&gt;(Sept 15&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT" size="1"&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT" size="1"&gt;th&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT"&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT"&gt;, 2011)&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;The Current best firmware based on significant further development testing:-&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;v 0.0.26&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT"&gt;- &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT" color="#0000ff"&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT" color="#0000ff"&gt;&lt;A href="http://www.cisco-bt-portal.com/iusr/DSL/adsl_alc_20190_0.0.026.bin" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;http://www.cisco-bt-portal.com/iusr/DSL/adsl_alc_20190_0.0.026.bin&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Current recommendation would be as follows :-&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;1. Use the correct firmware, as advised above.&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;2. For lines &amp;gt;5500m (i.e. &amp;gt;60dB) consider dropping to ADSL2 (or even ADSL1) for&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;line-stability.&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Eg. # interface atm 0&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;# dsl operating-mode adsl2|adsl1&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;3. Consider ADSL Line changes to enforce line-stability conditions&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Most DSL services will normally dynamically renegotiate to optimize the line-profile&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;and under line errors. Normally this occurs almost transparently to the end user, but&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;in cases where ADSL has been used for business critical services (such as VoIP)&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;stability is often a more paramount concern.&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;The following provider changes should optimize for line-stability (done by BTWC)&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;- BT WBC: Change Stability profile from “Standard” to “Stable”&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;- BT WBC: Enabled Interleaving&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;BT Line testing: Ask BT for a “long duration Background Noise and Impulse Noise&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;test” performed on the line. (Note: This type of line-testing&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT" color="#0000ff"&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT" color="#0000ff"&gt;&lt;EM&gt;&lt;FONT face="Arial-ItalicMT"&gt;is &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT"&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT"&gt;service interrupting).&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;4. In the final &amp;lt;1% of extreme 5500m-6000m environments or where there is poor&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;EMI noise conditions (i.e. manufacturing and construction with high EMI interference&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;such as high-voltage machinery in some cases) then consider a line-conditioner,&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;which may help address this.&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;i.e.&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT" color="#0000ff"&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT" color="#0000ff"&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT" color="#003366"&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT" color="#003366"&gt;&lt;A href="http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/Shop/Reviews.asp?ProductID=8138" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/Shop/Reviews.asp?ProductID=8138&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT" color="#000000"&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT"&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT"&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT"&gt;I am currently running the 0.0.26 firmware on this router. Without it, it won't even connect. IOS version is 15.1(1)T4&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT" color="#000000"&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT"&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT"&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT"&gt;My question is:&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT" color="#000000"&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT"&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT"&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT"&gt;What can I do to improve the stability on this line, and how should I go about getting the changes implemented as above i.e. getting the line stability settings on the line changed. &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT" color="#000000"&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT"&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT"&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT"&gt;Do you have any other suggestions or&amp;nbsp;tests that can be done on the line?&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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    <pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 13:25:11 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>ffc_sup</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2012-09-05T13:25:11Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Stability Issues with Cisco 877 on ADSL 2+</title>
      <link>https://business.forums.bt.com/t5/Archive/Stability-Issues-with-Cisco-877-on-ADSL-2/m-p/45046#M6897</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I have a Cisco 877 Router on one of my BT ADSL 2+ business connections which is also used for VPN connectivity to our main office. This router was completely stable on the connection until a month or so ago. Now from cold boot after several days the connection becomes unusable, slowing to a crawl and dropping packets all over the place whilst getting alot of CRC errors, until it is restarted.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;DIV class="lia-message-body"&gt;
&lt;DIV class="lia-message-body-content"&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Initially I got BT to do some line tests which checked out OK. Since then I have plugged into the master socket, replaced the filter, cable, and router itself for a brand new one via Cisco TAC but am still experiencing the problem.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;A href="http://www.cisco-bt-portal.com/iusr/DSL/Product_Bulletin_DSL.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;http://www.cisco-bt-portal.com/iusr/DSL/Product_Bulletin_DSL.pdf&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;States that for my model of router I should check the following:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Latest recommended STM Firmware&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT"&gt;(Sept 15&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT" size="1"&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT" size="1"&gt;th&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT"&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT"&gt;, 2011)&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;The Current best firmware based on significant further development testing:-&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;v 0.0.26&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT"&gt;- &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT" color="#0000ff"&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT" color="#0000ff"&gt;&lt;A href="http://www.cisco-bt-portal.com/iusr/DSL/adsl_alc_20190_0.0.026.bin" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;http://www.cisco-bt-portal.com/iusr/DSL/adsl_alc_20190_0.0.026.bin&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Current recommendation would be as follows :-&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;1. Use the correct firmware, as advised above.&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;2. For lines &amp;gt;5500m (i.e. &amp;gt;60dB) consider dropping to ADSL2 (or even ADSL1) for&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;line-stability.&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Eg. # interface atm 0&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;# dsl operating-mode adsl2|adsl1&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;3. Consider ADSL Line changes to enforce line-stability conditions&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Most DSL services will normally dynamically renegotiate to optimize the line-profile&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;and under line errors. Normally this occurs almost transparently to the end user, but&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;in cases where ADSL has been used for business critical services (such as VoIP)&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;stability is often a more paramount concern.&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;The following provider changes should optimize for line-stability (done by BTWC)&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;- BT WBC: Change Stability profile from “Standard” to “Stable”&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;- BT WBC: Enabled Interleaving&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;BT Line testing: Ask BT for a “long duration Background Noise and Impulse Noise&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;test” performed on the line. (Note: This type of line-testing&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT" color="#0000ff"&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT" color="#0000ff"&gt;&lt;EM&gt;&lt;FONT face="Arial-ItalicMT"&gt;is &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT"&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT"&gt;service interrupting).&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;4. In the final &amp;lt;1% of extreme 5500m-6000m environments or where there is poor&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;EMI noise conditions (i.e. manufacturing and construction with high EMI interference&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;such as high-voltage machinery in some cases) then consider a line-conditioner,&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align="left"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;which may help address this.&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;i.e.&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT" color="#0000ff"&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT" color="#0000ff"&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT" color="#003366"&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT" color="#003366"&gt;&lt;A href="http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/Shop/Reviews.asp?ProductID=8138" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/Shop/Reviews.asp?ProductID=8138&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT" color="#000000"&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT"&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT"&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT"&gt;I am currently running the 0.0.26 firmware on this router. Without it, it won't even connect. IOS version is 15.1(1)T4&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT" color="#000000"&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT"&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT"&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT"&gt;My question is:&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT" color="#000000"&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT"&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT"&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT"&gt;What can I do to improve the stability on this line, and how should I go about getting the changes implemented as above i.e. getting the line stability settings on the line changed. &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT" color="#000000"&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT"&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT"&gt;&lt;FONT face="ArialMT"&gt;Do you have any other suggestions or&amp;nbsp;tests that can be done on the line?&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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      <pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 13:25:11 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://business.forums.bt.com/t5/Archive/Stability-Issues-with-Cisco-877-on-ADSL-2/m-p/45046#M6897</guid>
      <dc:creator>ffc_sup</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2012-09-05T13:25:11Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Stability Issues with Cisco 877 on ADSL 2+</title>
      <link>https://business.forums.bt.com/t5/Archive/Stability-Issues-with-Cisco-877-on-ADSL-2/m-p/45130#M6898</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I am also using the Cisco 877 router and would want to know how can I increase its range using BT ADSL?&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 00:18:16 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://business.forums.bt.com/t5/Archive/Stability-Issues-with-Cisco-877-on-ADSL-2/m-p/45130#M6898</guid>
      <dc:creator>darkulap</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2012-09-07T00:18:16Z</dc:date>
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