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POOR PRODUCT, BAD SERVICE

Jdatkin
Power User

I wont bore you to tears with the endless issues which include being cut off in error in January, Reconnected, then disconnected again because someone forgot to cancel the original re-provide order etc, or when it took BT 5 days to realise the problem with my broadband was because they had put 2 usernames on one dsl line.

And i wont mention beyond this point the incident when the tried to tel me that a fault was actualy because i dont have a phoneline!!!, even though they had called me on that very BT phone!!

 

ANYWAY - THIS MONTHS PROBLEMS................ 

I regraded my ADSL2 to Infinity 80/20 (Busines) a couple of days go. Was estimated to get 56 download and 18 upload, so chose the Infinity 80dl/20ul. At installation we got 30mb download which was quite a way short of what we was expecting!!

 

Have had problems with it dropping out and demanding new usernames etc.

BT sent an engineer out yesterday to check it, but he admitted he was actually a telephony engineer and not broadband trained!!! GO FIGURE!

He was very nice and spent hours on it but couldnt offer much resolution.

At one point he spoke to technical dept, and they said it could be that the Business hub 3 may be incompatible!!!!! AGAIN-GO FIGURE!!

 

One curious thing is that it has period where it refuses to work, giving just 0.3 - 0.7mb speed!!, BUT, if you turn off the router, then reboot it................

run a speedtest when the Broadband light is still ORANGE, i get speeds of 50mb-80mb !!!!!!!

As soon as the broadband light turns from orange to blue, the speed hits a brick wall, drops to 15mb - 30mb!

 

Also i usually use a simple gigabit ethernet switch (8port) from the GigE socket of the Business hub 3, then plug the pcs etc into that and its always worked great, but since we went infinity you cant connect through the switch?

 

Any Suggestions!!

 

Have tried calling BT - WAITED 2hr 15min to be answered only for the lady to tell me that 30mb way the best id get, even though there own tests suggested 56mb, and i have had speedtests show 50-80mb, but only when the Broadband light is Orange!!

She basicaly said its better than what you had on ADSL and thats that!!

 

I pointed out that i had opted for a 80/20 Infinity, but if i was only going to get 30 then i should be on the 40/10, but she said i should change as it could effect my speed!!, even though she said the max i would get would be 30mb!, it makes no sense at all.

I also questioned the fact that the original engineer that intalled the infinity mentioned that it was on a '40mb bearer' or '40mb pair' or something like that. When i pointed out that i had gone for the 80mb not the 40mb, he just said that he only does what the laptop tells him, and i would have to ring up.

 

I called, they just said that ' you should be on a 80mb connection', i pointed out i knew full well that i had asked for an 80mb, and that i was paying for an 80mb connection, but could they tell me why the engineer said it was a 40mb, and can someone actually physically check it!

She didnt know!

 

I asked the engineer the same thing about if i was on a 40mb or 80mb connection, and he said it seems i could be on a 40, which would explain the much slower than expeted speeds, but he didnt know how to check it physically as he is not a broadband engineer!

 

ALL BT STAFF JUST KEEP SAYING THEY JUST DONT KNOW!, BUT TRY TO FOBB ME OFF BY SAYING, ITS MUCH BETTER THAN YOUR PREVIOUS ADSL

 

I think its all shocking, and im really considering cancelling the planned upgrades of the other 2 ADSL line to Infinity.

 

IF ANYONE CAN HELP, PLEASE TRY!!

55 REPLIES 55

Seraphsailor
Grand Master

The BT Infinity experts seem to be identified in this link:

 

http://community.bt.com/t5/BT-Infinity/Ask-the-Expert-Live-Discussion-BT-Infinity/td-p/494713

aciid
Member

Wow, I've had some problems with BT in the past but to think it's actually gone this far - and thats on BUSINESS broadband (don't BT have some SLA for that!?) that's incredibly disturbing.. Having thoughts of leaving BT because I definetely don't want anything like this to happen on my end! Had to sign up just to comment!

peleus
Member

I was surprised seeing that too. But I got confidence on them and they will bounce back. 

Jdatkin
Power User

Hi Aciid,

            what im going to say is quite difficult in a way because i have been championing BT to everyone for years, i could never understand anyone switching to other telecoms companies when there was BT, a big, strong, constant and reliabel force which made the backbon of all other telecom newbies.

 

However, being in business is difficult enough, especially over the last couple of years its been hard for everyone, and the last thinkg you want, or can afford to have is loss of communication.

It means your customers cant get orders to you, you cant communicate with them nor they with you, you cant place orders for stock, you cant check if those payments have gone in or out of your bank.

Not only is the above situation crippling, but even worse than this is the fact that you spend, hours, AND I MEAN HOURS (2hr15min to get through to BT on the phone) trying to sort out their S**T.

So not only is communication dead, your also a waste of time as your spending days and days trying to get the problem resolved, when you want to be getting back to customers and making your apologies and chasing orders etc that have not got through to you.

 

It even gets to the point where you cant leave the office to get out on the road or to site, as your the only one who knows what this situation is with the BT stuff that doesnt work, and what happens when it goes off again!, or everything needs rebooting!

Im sure most of us on here are capable of sorting glitches out, but i can assure you, most members of staff do not feel comfortable playing with these things, especially when doing what BT tell you has no affect at all!!

 

In light if this, i can honestly see why people have, and will continue to leave BT in their droves, and please note that i really dont like saying this at all. Im not an establishment hater, and im not anti big business at all, but i am very anti bad customer service companies.

 

And as for SLA, they arent worth a jott.

If you look at the current ads for business broadband/infinity, you will notice that it tells you 'NO SLOWING DOWN IN THE AFTERNOON' or at other 'busy periods' your traffic will be prioritised.

Then click on 'More' and it tells you that speeds will slow at busy times due to congestion and contention - ANOTHER LIE!

 

They tried to tell me that my pathetic speed could be donw to congestion!!! This village has never had so much as heavy vehicle traffic, never mind data congestion. In fact the engineers told me that i have the only two infinity lined from that cabinet!

 

Im afraid its all been Lies, Empty Promises, Misinformation, Failed Communication, Mis-Selling of Products and a general disregard for customers from where im sitting.

 

And again, please dont think im just a moaner, i know some people just love to hack into others with only a hint of a true problem, but thats not me.

In fact, a couple of days ago i contacted BT OPENREACH and filled in an online form to pass positive feedback to the manager of one of the engineers that came out to me as he was fantastic, really really nice bloke, he was thorough and helpful and really did all he could, and popped back after to see how i was getting on, EVEN THOUGH HE DIDNT FIX MY ISSUES i wanted to let his manager know how highly i rated him.

 

PELEUS,

            i have to admire your PMT - Positive Mental Attitude, but im struggling to share it at present. I hope they will bounce back, but just how long after the problems can it be before its less of a bounce, and more of a flop!

 

UPDATE:

Was updated earlier today but havent had time to fill you in.

Someone from somewhere, SORRY, but ive spoken to that many people!!

I think she was from infinity technical in dundee or edinbugh maybe.

She called to see if anything had been resolved yet - I CANT BELEIVE HOW THEY HAVE TO RING ME TO FIND OUT!!

Anyway, when i told her that they had definately not got any better, on fact it had cut off again earlier she said that should would send another engineer out!!!!!

 

I COULDNT BELIEVE MY EARS

 

ANOTHER ENGINEER - MOTHER OF THE LORD, how many engineers will have to tell me, and them that the issue is software based, not line based!

 

I honestly think that they havent got the foggiest whats going on or what they are doing!

I think they are hoping it will miraculously sort itself out or i will just get sick of it all and will accept this a 15mb speed when paying for ***UPTO*** 80mb and when the engineers confirm i should be able to get 50-60mv, and i can get that just prior to the router completing authentication!, all of the above when its not down altogether!

 

Well i aint accepting it, that much i can tell you, and i intend fully to take this is high as i can.

 

So lets see IF an engineer turns up tomorrow, and if they are a broadband engineer or not!

 

Any Bets!!!!

 

Ill keep you informed

 

ALSO, any guess what im thinking about my plan to move another 6lines back to BT at another business site!!!!!

 

Answers on the forum,,,,,,,, if you are lucky to stay connected long enough!! 

aciid
Member

Don't give up. That service is a f*ing joke

Jdatkin
Power User

Engineer Turned Up Yesterday,

                                           confirmed the line was 'A1' condition line, no issues at all.

 

Told me that the speed coming out the cabinet was 33mb, so its dropped further!!

 

Made a phone call, came back and told me:

 

You are on an 80/20 connection!!!!, but the reason your speed is slow is because BT have capped your line rate because when it was running at 80mb it was throwing some errors on the line!

 

Obviously, we 'Discussed' this for some time!!!!

 

I asked when it was ever actually at 80, because i know it was only ever at 44mb, and i have done several tests every day, and it has never been any fatser than when forst connected, which was at 44mb, its never been at 80 as far as im concerned.

He said that they had reduced the speed on May 26th, but i think this is not true at all, if so we would have ssend a dramatic drop at this stage, and would have seen much better speeds previously!

 

He also tried to tell me that the line length was over 3km from the Cabinet - WRONG!!

 

I have plotted the EXACT path of the line from the cabinet and have included a map, its 1.1km, NOT OVER 3km!!

 

He then tried to tell me that i should by rites get about 5mb, YES 5mb ON INFINITY!!!!! WTF!, I GOT 2.5-4mb ON ADSL!

 

I spoke to a infinity helpdesk bod again yesterday, they agree with me that it doesnt make sense!!

 

IDEAS PLEASE ANYONE - MODS, Dont panic, you havent helped a jott so far, i dont expect you to do anything at this stage either!

 

Speed Results.pngAllandale To Cabinet.png

MHC
Guru

 

Am just seeing the Yellow Triangles again ... have you made the images Public ?   

Jdatkin
Power User

Ooooops, didnt realise, i can view ok, ill try using jpg file instead of png, here goes:

Allandale To Cabinet.jpeg

 

Speed Results.jpeg

 

Tried to post them as large as possible so you can actually see them!!

Seraphsailor
Grand Master

Tried to post them as large as possible so you can actually see them!!

 

All I see is triangles. What about Photobucket and posting the IMG link?

MHC
Guru

 

Same problem ...

 

There is a way to make an Image Public/Private - can you check that?

 

As suggested - caan you try an image hosting site?